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Post by Frater G on Dec 17, 2011 14:51:21 GMT -5
Greetings all, I hope all is well.  What is Soul and what is Spirit? Two words with different meanings or perhaps not. This is a topic of meditation for me right now and I would love to hear your insights on these words. |
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Post by vajramukti on Jan 1, 2012 16:09:40 GMT -5
Greetings all, I hope all is well. What is Soul and what is Spirit? Two words with different meanings or perhaps not. This is a topic of meditation for me right now and I would love to hear your insights on these words. Your soul lies at the center of you. Your spirit lies at the center of your soul. |
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Post by Frater G on Jan 5, 2012 0:33:10 GMT -5
Greetings all, I hope all is well. What is Soul and what is Spirit? Two words with different meanings or perhaps not. This is a topic of meditation for me right now and I would love to hear your insights on these words. Your soul lies at the center of you. Your spirit lies at the center of your soul. OK let's examine a little deeper. When you say you do you mean the body? The body DNA manifested composed of quantum material yet to be named officially. Some say First Matter. Light is in wave form and particle thus cohesion is a variable. First matter is energy with cohesion giving structure. People say someone is very spirited. Native Americans say big spirit. Spirit is felt it is energy...animate. Our spirit then guarantees cohesion of the animate body ultimately. When the spirit leaves the body ceases. Spirit determines animation....and energy cohesion. It is a factor in physical evolution. Therefore matter equals spirit. Soul then...what about soul? Soul determines intent and direction. Spirit the vehicle you could say.. Where is the soul? Does it have boundaries? Where did it come from? All souls of all life in one big pool veiled by vibrational cohesion of different construct....with free will to animate. What do you think? |
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Post by vajramukti on Jan 7, 2012 0:04:58 GMT -5
Your soul lies at the center of you. Your spirit lies at the center of your soul. OK let's examine a little deeper. When you say you do you mean the body? The body DNA manifested composed of quantum material yet to be named officially. Some say First Matter. Light is in wave form and particle thus cohesion is a variable. First matter is energy with cohesion giving structure. People say someone is very spirited. Native Americans say big spirit. Spirit is felt it is energy...animate. Our spirit then guarantees cohesion of the animate body ultimately. When the spirit leaves the body ceases. Spirit determines animation....and energy cohesion. It is a factor in physical evolution. Therefore matter equals spirit. Soul then...what about soul? Soul determines intent and direction. Spirit the vehicle you could say.. Where is the soul? Does it have boundaries? Where did it come from? All souls of all life in one big pool veiled by vibrational cohesion of different construct....with free will to animate. What do you think? I use "you" as all encompassing. Spirit, in my opinion, is truth. When you experience something spiritually, you experience the truth of it, without preconception, judgement, etc. on your part, and without any external shields on the part of the other, whether person or event. So, spirit, to me, is you, stripped of all of the periphery that you want others to think is you. The soul houses that spirit. God is spirit, and standing before God, we will "bare our souls," leaving only spirit, our truest selves. How do you describe you? An entrepreneur, a father, a businessman, a seeker, etc? When Moses asked God who He was, God simply stated, "I am." Spirit is us, stripped of all of our notions about who we are. |
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Post by Frater G on Jan 14, 2012 2:02:03 GMT -5
OK let's examine a little deeper. When you say you do you mean the body? The body DNA manifested composed of quantum material yet to be named officially. Some say First Matter. Light is in wave form and particle thus cohesion is a variable. First matter is energy with cohesion giving structure. People say someone is very spirited. Native Americans say big spirit. Spirit is felt it is energy...animate. Our spirit then guarantees cohesion of the animate body ultimately. When the spirit leaves the body ceases. Spirit determines animation....and energy cohesion. It is a factor in physical evolution. Therefore matter equals spirit. Soul then...what about soul? Soul determines intent and direction. Spirit the vehicle you could say.. Where is the soul? Does it have boundaries? Where did it come from? All souls of all life in one big pool veiled by vibrational cohesion of different construct....with free will to animate. What do you think? I use "you" as all encompassing. Spirit, in my opinion, is truth. When you experience something spiritually, you experience the truth of it, without preconception, judgement, etc. on your part, and without any external shields on the part of the other, whether person or event. So, spirit, to me, is you, stripped of all of the periphery that you want others to think is you. The soul houses that spirit. God is spirit, and standing before God, we will "bare our souls," leaving only spirit, our truest selves. How do you describe you? An entrepreneur, a father, a businessman, a seeker, etc? When Moses asked God who He was, God simply stated, "I am." Spirit is us, stripped of all of our notions about who we are. So our reflected perception of who we are based on virtues clothes our spirit. Soul though...just housing needs more clarification for me. These two words soul and spirit are interchangeable because the definition varies. Some say both are exactly the same. When you think of soul food or soul music it has spiritual significance. They both "touch" you. I'm thinking if one bares their soul they would strip away the spiritual garment and leave the singularity, the monad, the soul. Thoughts? |
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Post by vajramukti on Jan 16, 2012 22:39:45 GMT -5
I use "you" as all encompassing. Spirit, in my opinion, is truth. When you experience something spiritually, you experience the truth of it, without preconception, judgement, etc. on your part, and without any external shields on the part of the other, whether person or event. So, spirit, to me, is you, stripped of all of the periphery that you want others to think is you. The soul houses that spirit. God is spirit, and standing before God, we will "bare our souls," leaving only spirit, our truest selves. How do you describe you? An entrepreneur, a father, a businessman, a seeker, etc? When Moses asked God who He was, God simply stated, "I am." Spirit is us, stripped of all of our notions about who we are. So our reflected perception of who we are based on virtues clothes our spirit. Soul though...just housing needs more clarification for me. These two words soul and spirit are interchangeable because the definition varies. Some say both are exactly the same. When you think of soul food or soul music it has spiritual significance. They both "touch" you. I'm thinking if one bares their soul they would strip away the spiritual garment and leave the singularity, the monad, the soul. Thoughts? I go the opposite way. The soul is the garment, your soul has identity. Spirit is beyond identity. |
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Post by Frater G on Jan 17, 2012 10:45:11 GMT -5
So our reflected perception of who we are based on virtues clothes our spirit. Soul though...just housing needs more clarification for me. These two words soul and spirit are interchangeable because the definition varies. Some say both are exactly the same. When you think of soul food or soul music it has spiritual significance. They both "touch" you. I'm thinking if one bares their soul they would strip away the spiritual garment and leave the singularity, the monad, the soul. Thoughts? I go the opposite way. The soul is the garment, your soul has identity. Spirit is beyond identity. It's an interesting topic language being the variable. The other day on H2 (History) channel a fascinating documentary called The Science of Soul aired which portrayed your view and mine somewhat. Science, Religion and Mysticism coming together. It's worth a watch. |
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Post by vajramukti on Jan 17, 2012 23:12:31 GMT -5
It's an interesting topic language being the variable. The other day on H2 (History) channel a fascinating documentary called The Science of Soul aired which portrayed your view and mine somewhat. Science, Religion and Mysticism coming together. It's worth a watch. Cool, I'll check it out. |
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Post by Frater G on Jan 18, 2012 16:06:44 GMT -5
OK, so my next questions are; What does it mean to grow spiritually? Does your spirit actually grow in size, less dense? Or does it mean refine like Gold? Both...
How does one grow the spirit?
I believe through empathy primarily. By realizing, (unveiling) that everything is connected our light expands inwardly and outwardly.
Rosicrucian writings have said that a glass of water left on the nightstand will contain the memory of that night. Vibroturgy, the recall of memory within matter containing emotions and experience. Water is said to be living and scientists like Dr. Masaru Emoto demonstrate memory within water. Humans are water animate..
Space time being a factor of overall perspective means everything happens at once all connected. This view gives a deeper meaning to empathy and enlightenment, also being that others have empathy bares responsibility.
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Post by elijah on Jan 23, 2012 3:13:03 GMT -5
To go back to the beginning ...
What is Soul and what is Spirit? Two words with different meanings or perhaps not. This is a topic of meditation for me right now and I would love to hear your insights on these words.. Posted by Frater G on Dec 17, 2011, 2:51pm
I believe, for want of a more lyrical discription, the Soul is the Feminine Psyche of a Man and the Masculine Psyche for a Woman.
The Spirit pneuma is the quality of "Knowing" or consciousness which is apparent in all humans but with varying degrees of intensity.
Gnosis is the union of pneuma-Nous-Spirit and Psyche-Soul, the ultimate alchemical golden miracle.
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Post by Frater G on Jan 24, 2012 20:38:24 GMT -5
To go back to the beginning ... I believe, for want of a more lyrical discription, the Soul is the Feminine Psyche of a Man and the Masculine Psyche for a Woman. The Spirit pneuma is the quality of "Knowing" or consciousness which is apparent in all humans but with varying degrees of intensity. Gnosis is the union of pneuma-Nous-Spirit and Psyche-Soul, the ultimate alchemical golden miracle. So by reflection, meditation, one gradually un-polarizes the total psyche which like fusion grows in intensity...quality. Psyche and Soul...I'm not seeing those terms as the same concept. There has to be something permanent other than the physical anatomy and function. Language defines reality.. The concept of "knowing" though ...it's apart from discovery learning. It's a remembrance...or it seems. Consciousness is a result of a connection. Something is the medium of connection. Could spirit be a medium which has the attributes of the four elements? The alchemical miracle creates a third. Lyrically... One and one makes three... ;D |
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Post by elijah on Jan 25, 2012 16:00:28 GMT -5
Everything you are trying to say is perfectably acceptable, except you are trying too hard and language does not define reality. Silence does.
Your Psyche and Soul are not concepts to be "seen" or "defined". You accept them as you would accept you fingers or nose. They are a part of the WHOLE of Thou. Your body is the physical manifestation - either male or female. Your soul is the echo of your body - female or male.
IMO you are trying to humanise, conceptualise by scientific analysis or try to reason and define a state of grace which is Ineffiable. Words are useless. They stop short of the Essence.
The alchemical miracle creates a third. Lyrically...One and one makes three...
The realisation/knowledge and, understanding/Gnosis of body "Physis", the Soul "Psyche" and the Spirit "Pneuma" make the eternal three in One~
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Post by Frater G on Jan 28, 2012 1:39:34 GMT -5
Everything you are trying to say is perfectably acceptable, except you are trying too hard and language does not define reality. Silence does. Your Psyche and Soul are not concepts to be "seen" or "defined". You accept them as you would accept you fingers or nose. They are a part of the WHOLE of Thou. Your body is the physical manifestation - either male or female. Your soul is the echo of your body - female or male. IMO you are trying to humanise, conceptualise by scientific analysis or try to reason and define a state of grace which is Ineffiable. Words are useless. They stop short of the Essence. The alchemical miracle creates a third. Lyrically...One and one makes three... The realisation/knowledge and, understanding/Gnosis of body "Physis", the Soul "Psyche" and the Spirit "Pneuma" make the eternal three in One~ So linguistics cannot universally define, of course since language is wrapping....speech in the silence. Well then...I grasp your point here thank you! To define is a personal empathic point of connection ultimately. Emanations manifest from the nether, Will....Thelemic. You say soul is echo...reflection? If so then plasticity? Spirit then is primary? Chicken or the egg...language. So if we're soul and spirit then there must be a star point singular prior dual....monad..just thinking here. What is language anyways, reflection...or starLight? |
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Post by vajramukti on Jan 28, 2012 22:01:49 GMT -5
Everything you are trying to say is perfectably acceptable, except you are trying too hard and language does not define reality. Silence does. Your Psyche and Soul are not concepts to be "seen" or "defined". You accept them as you would accept you fingers or nose. They are a part of the WHOLE of Thou. Your body is the physical manifestation - either male or female. Your soul is the echo of your body - female or male. IMO you are trying to humanise, conceptualise by scientific analysis or try to reason and define a state of grace which is Ineffiable. Words are useless. They stop short of the Essence. The alchemical miracle creates a third. Lyrically...One and one makes three... The realisation/knowledge and, understanding/Gnosis of body "Physis", the Soul "Psyche" and the Spirit "Pneuma" make the eternal three in One~ So linguistics cannot universally define, of course since language is wrapping....speech in the silence. Well then...I grasp your point here thank you! To define is a personal empathic point of connection ultimately. Emanations manifest from the nether, Will....Thelemic. You say soul is echo...reflection? If so then plasticity? Spirit then is primary? Chicken or the egg...language. So if we're soul and spirit then there must be a star point singular prior dual....monad..just thinking here. What is language anyways, reflection...or starLight? A mentor of mine once told me that concepts such as these are approachable, yet undefinable. Basically, as soon as you grasp the meaning, it is gone. Basically, looking at it from the point of view that dogma is indeed useful, as soon as you are able to define the concept, you place it in the box. But you immediately realize that the box is not "enough," ergo, the definition is somewhat lacking. And it always will be. Each new definition is reflective of your understanding and growth, and each time that which is momentarily grasps dissolves as you close your fist around it serves as a reminder that you are still growing. Man teaches the dharma with a clasped hand...vajramukti. The buddha teaches with an open hand. What can be held in the clasped hand can only approximate that which is held in the open hand. |
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Post by elijah on Jan 30, 2012 7:47:50 GMT -5
It's Nothing but Love
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