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Post by Frater G on Sept 25, 2009 23:18:45 GMT -5
Back when I was around sixteen I had taken a summer course about meditation. I was so confused and seeking myself. Meditation was such a foreign concept which I couldn't get a grasp of but... I kept on focusing which by doing was actually what I was seeking...asleep at the wheel I was. Meditation can be a very hard concept to linguistically express because the essential state is the negation of language...of thought!...total emptiness... the heart becomes a receptacle and then one clairvoyantly hears.
There are many methods and techniques and types of meditation. My technique to quiet the mental chatter comes from a remembrance and a realization. I always focused on a mantra but once I remember that I just shifted like a snap of a finger to a state of stillness....zero motion everywhere, zero chatter, zero thought. It was an epiphany. I can do it anywhere now and it rejuvenates me. I do it everyday and it helps me.
Do any of you practice this?
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Post by George the 3rd on Sept 26, 2009 10:34:05 GMT -5
yes
but i refuse to call it anything or try to describe it. Not that I would criticize anyone who does but because of my concept of deity. Deity is, by my mind, unknowable and indescribable. To try is futile and unproductive.
As a youth, 14years old, I involved myself in folk music. When I would get a new PP&M or Dylan or other folk album whenever I had the opportunity, I would turn off the lights in my room, put on the album, lay back in the bed and try to get "into" the music.This was done by a simple relaxation from the toes up and deep diaphragmatic breathing.
Not only did this aid in the memorization of lyrics but a deeper understanding of the often veiled or hidden message of a song.
Soon, I started using this technique to relax prior to sleep. this led to deeper, more restful sleep, vivid symbolic dreaming and a perspective that was often radically different from my high school classmates.
The reason I mentioned deity earlier is that as I see it, meditation is simply a way to connect with that within us that is deity. Indescribable and empirically unknowable but non the less recognizable and experienced.
The "Key" is to have the courage and self-assuredness to be willing to accept whatever is discovered in the process regardless of preconceived notions or social norms.
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Post by vajramukti on Sept 26, 2009 16:19:57 GMT -5
Yes, I do. I have posted a couple of methods I have tried on this forum, but I find that when my posture is right, and the breathing is right, I can just fall in.
I used to enter with an agenda. Now, I sometimes go in with a question, but mostly I just go in and try and open.
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Post by Frater G on Sept 28, 2009 17:50:21 GMT -5
yes but i refuse to call it anything or try to describe it. Not that I would criticize anyone who does but because of my concept of deity. Deity is, by my mind, unknowable and indescribable. To try is futile and unproductive. As a youth, 14years old, I involved myself in folk music. When I would get a new PP&M or Dylan or other folk album whenever I had the opportunity, I would turn off the lights in my room, put on the album, lay back in the bed and try to get "into" the music.This was done by a simple relaxation from the toes up and deep diaphragmatic breathing. Not only did this aid in the memorization of lyrics but a deeper understanding of the often veiled or hidden message of a song. Soon, I started using this technique to relax prior to sleep. this led to deeper, more restful sleep, vivid symbolic dreaming and a perspective that was often radically different from my high school classmates. The reason I mentioned deity earlier is that as I see it, meditation is simply a way to connect with that within us that is deity. Indescribable and empirically unknowable but non the less recognizable and experienced. The "Key" is to have the courage and self-assuredness to be willing to accept whatever is discovered in the process regardless of preconceived notions or social norms. I know what you mean about music. I'm constantly listening...sometimes it's like I can look into the musicians mind...same thing with reading. The Deity is unknowable in a sense but aren't all of us everywhere part of that Deity at the center? If one gets to know oneself isn't that in essence getting to know the Deity? I do that too....just fall in with a purpose. |
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Post by George the 3rd on Sept 29, 2009 9:42:51 GMT -5
Have you read "The Lost Symbol" yet? (Dan Brown)
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Post by vajramukti on Sept 30, 2009 10:21:31 GMT -5
Have you read "The Lost Symbol" yet? (Dan Brown) Yep. Loved it! |
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Post by George the 3rd on Sept 30, 2009 13:45:40 GMT -5
Do you think that the "message" of the book is essentially "The Deity is unknowable in a sense but aren't all of us everywhere part of that Deity at the center? If one gets to know oneself isn't that in essence getting to know the Deity?"?
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Post by Frater G on Sept 30, 2009 19:00:05 GMT -5
I must read this before I can comment further. Lost symbol huh...the symbol's representation...hmmm.  Philosophically a Masonic book perhaps? I remember someone mentioning this book here before. |
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Post by vajramukti on Oct 2, 2009 23:22:07 GMT -5
Do you think that the "message" of the book is essentially "The Deity is unknowable in a sense but aren't all of us everywhere part of that Deity at the center? If one gets to know oneself isn't that in essence getting to know the Deity?"? Yes. What I got was that the answer that we seek is right there in front of us. Hidden in plain sight. We find the answer when we find ourselves, and in doing so, realize we already knew it. |
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Post by vajramukti on Oct 2, 2009 23:31:39 GMT -5
However, aside from the message of the book, it is the Noetics that have caught my attention.
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Post by Frater G on Oct 6, 2009 0:11:29 GMT -5
In Taoism the one below is a microcosm of the macro-cosmic One above. By meditation one learns to see the center of the being. It is the fruit of the tree in a sense. Thus by seeing the singularity great insights are gained which are in essence the Great Spirit of the Deity. One can truly only know the self, the eye single sees only the reflection of intent.
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Post by vajramukti on Oct 7, 2009 22:48:45 GMT -5
By meditation one learns to see the center of the being. BUT, one must know what one seeks, and how. |
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Post by Frater G on Oct 14, 2009 11:23:23 GMT -5
By meditation one learns to see the center of the being. BUT, one must know what one seeks, and how. True...sometimes though one can find what one seeks by just being open. Gnosis wouldn't be Gnosis if one already "knew"....wouldn't you say? |
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Post by George the 3rd on Oct 14, 2009 20:26:10 GMT -5
Actually, Gnosis may merely be accepting/recognizing what everyone knows, (instinctively?) but through "education", cultural pressures and lack of self confidence, we come to "believe" instead.
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Post by vajramukti on Oct 14, 2009 22:44:41 GMT -5
Actually, Gnosis may merely be accepting/recognizing what everyone knows, (instinctively?) but through "education", cultural pressures and lack of self confidence, we come to "believe" instead. So, you are saying that gnosis is coming to know that which you believe? That makes sense. I like that. |
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