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Post by elijah on Feb 18, 2008 5:20:07 GMT -5
Recalling and admitting memories of previous lives seem always to have been regarded with scepticism and the immediate reaction is the need for these events to be proven in some way. A call for a rational and somewhat dismissive explanation is the usual reaction. Frustrating  Reincarnation is a logical sequence of events and not one living creature in this realm can claim or prove otherwise. In moto perpetuo, the spiral (of life) is ever present and over and over it is apparent in evolution, mathematics, astronomy, physics, even down to your fingerprints. So the reality of reincarnation is dismissed out of fear (or shame) of the unknown and the need to rationalise. Why then does mankind persist in procreation, scientific quests which constantly repeat but on an ever increasing complexity until the fundamentals of existence are completely overwhelmed with scientific technology and the simplicity of reincarnation is dismissed? I am really going over my frustrations concerning my thoughts on reincarnation becasue when I have "tried out" my thoughts, the above-mentioned has been the result.  I feel that it is very important to accept reincarnation as being fact, just as there is an ever-increasing acceptance in the reality of Karma's long reaching justice. |
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Post by morningstar on Feb 18, 2008 9:18:58 GMT -5
Hi Elijah,  Don't get frustrated. What is important is what you are comfortable with. When discussing anything that cannot be experienced with the physical senses - or proven by certain standards one will find opposition to such theories. There has been alot of good research done in this field over the years which utilizes regression therapy to uncover deep seeded memories...in many cases the recall of past lives was phenominal. Judging from your post I would assume that you have your own reasons for believing in reincarnation. Have you had glimpses or feelings relating to a past life or lives? |
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Post by elijah on Feb 18, 2008 14:07:23 GMT -5
Hello Mary  Yes frequently I have intimations of long ago, but lately more often very clear recollections, but much of what I know and am used to in this life are as they are through experiences drawn in past lives. However, I am naturally rather hesitant to discuss them publically in detail. For me, I really do not think that past life recall is necessary because so much of it is in the present, and I feel that dredging up the past is futile. Very often it has a rather negative effect, and much better to live the excitement of self-discovery in the here and now! Also past life regression therapy is (in my opinion) rather messy and self serving as I firmly believe that we are a sum of parts and not one of us can stand up and say I AM (or was) Plato or Henry VIII or J S Bach. We consist of the collective experiences of everyone who ever was and some people who are alive now only happen to have a greater cognisance of the past. In some folk, this awareness is very real and greatly affects their daily life. Most people are serenely unaware of the full ramifications, but prefer to think of themselves as a direct and full reincarnation of Cleopatra or Mark Twain. However, from what I understand, the SELF -- that part of the Divine which you know as being SELF -- remains a constant until absorbed into what Jung termed the Collective Unconscious or what I understand as being absolutely Nothing. A rose by any other name ya know .... funny innit?  |
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Post by morningstar on Feb 22, 2008 21:00:50 GMT -5
I agree - we should definately live in the here and now and the self-discovery it permits. But, for me, some of that self-discovery is connected to that which, as you stated, is part of the 'collectiveness' of all things - and all experiences that have led our 'selves' to the point they are in at present. My own self discovery is a culmination, therefore, of present experiences and past experiences as well. We learn from history...we learn from experience...so why should the two not meet? As long as we do not become obsessed with one thing...the viewing of the whole is a beautiful experience. Retaining 'balance' in all things and in all forms of thought is very important. Quite often past recall can lead us to healing on a mental/physical and soul level. IMHO it can help us to better understand where we came from and where we must go. If viewed in a healthy manner it can aid us in a deeper understanding of our purpose in this life...what we should strive to accomplish...what we should aim to improve within our selves. Putting a face, if you will, to the gnawing feeling of unknown recognicance we all have at times is a very spiritual awakening process that can be uplifting for many...and I personally believe a step on the ladder of ascension. It is important to separate true past recall from unhealthy fantasies of grandeur suffered by some. We cannot say that all past life recall is unhealthy...it is all relative to the 'viewer' and how he or she processes and utilizes the information gained that is important. Yes ... yes it is funny. The Universe is a Master of Irony, it would seem. |
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Post by The Rev. Halfdamn Black on Mar 22, 2008 14:06:37 GMT -5
I was about to write something horribly lofty and pretentious here, but then I realized that Morningstar laid out all me personal thoughts on the matter quite eloquently. Thank you, Morgenstern!
One thing that has often crossed my mind is whether knowing more about your past lives can help you direct your future manifestation. I suppose a lot of that thinking depends heavily on how you view the 'mechanism' for reincarnation. What determines where we go next and why? I'd love to see some people input on this.
Rev. HDB
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Post by morningstar on Mar 23, 2008 8:24:04 GMT -5
Well...allow me to step down from my lofty perch here amongst the cow patties (oops - that one was still fresh ) just long enough to say...you are most welcome Reverend! Good question by the way. I will have to give that some serious thought whilst cleaning my "goin' to meetin boots'.  |
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Post by The Rev. Halfdamn Black on Mar 23, 2008 11:07:26 GMT -5
LOL...Nothing like boot cleaning meditation. But really that just made me think on another point that often surfaces in any kind of spiritual study. What is 'the right way' to do something. In my view and experience it's really any old damn way that suits you. I find some of my most important revelations come while I drive and listen to music (generally loud and not-so-dreamy music). And I also find this is where many beginners get stuck. They feel there must be 'a right way' to do something that involves complicated instructions, special meeting places, etc. And while all these thing may be helpful to someone, they can be a horrible stumbling block as well and keep someone from beginning anything at all. I think I'm horribly guilty on this one many times over. I took me decades to get beyond it and just be 'free' with my intuition on al things.
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Post by morningstar on Mar 23, 2008 11:35:39 GMT -5
That is right on the mark! That's why I love the quote by Kahlil Gibran...about the many paths and many truths...there really is no right or wrong way...it's what's within us - and however we come to understand/connect with it...well, it can be cleaning dung off boots - why not?! ;D Canoeing down a secluded river has always been my favorite way to "get there". For me - it's in nature...that has always been my "church", I suppose... |
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Post by The Rev. Halfdamn Black on Mar 23, 2008 11:58:57 GMT -5
Ohhh..I've got a great experience concerning a river and a past life experience. I'll tell it sometime. I promise. I may have told it on Pythia's Tripod, but I'm not sure. I'll have to ask G...He rememers things for me while I ramble aimlessly through existence. LOL
Rev. HDB
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Post by Frater G on Mar 23, 2008 13:53:43 GMT -5
Good to see you RB! Remembering back to the Tripod I recall you telling of your immediate past incarnation as a Captain.  Remembering.... I can only remember glimpses of my past as people and as animals. It's like snapshots tied with emotion. I too meditate while driving and with music at times as well. You know a sign that one is on the right path in respect to intuition is when one notices an increase in synchronicities. To differentiate between one's own creative mind and Gnosis is a fine line. it requires a leap in faith and trust in oneself....a letting go. From my experience that ability is hard if one has negative views on life and on the self. Insights bring insights. |
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Post by elijah on Mar 23, 2008 14:24:18 GMT -5
I remember the Captain very well. hammocks and jolly rogers and rum, aye aye!  yes indeed. Anyway. As far as remembering goes, I am now not very sure whether I want to recall the details of each preceeding life, but I prefer to savour the salient recollections and intimations which were of some importance and have a follow-on into this existence. In my daily dealings I am aware that there are very few who can or might be able to appreciate and acknowledge that a mere drift of memory as being fact and not just a doubtful figment of an overactive imagination. It is a very lonely place, I must admit. Reincarnation is, as far as I am concerned, as real as the nose on your face. I have recently discovered this site and can now equate the sequence of events preceeding the NOW into a logical memory incorporating the wisdom of the Tree of Life without the need to further conceptualise or explain. It is really a journey of understanding Duality.  |
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Post by The Rev. Halfdamn Black on Mar 23, 2008 14:52:42 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhhh!!!! Kabbalah! *runs and hides* Just kidding...I fondly remember my days in the study of Kabbalah. Western esoteric studies, Synagogues, strange cult groups with copies of the Hebrew alphabet and calculators in hand trying to decipher the meaning of everything with an equation. And what's this about me as a Captain? And what hammock? Why am I suddenly going WTF?  LMAO Rev. HDB |
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Post by Frater G on Mar 23, 2008 15:37:02 GMT -5
I think you were wearing your Camarillo brillo....or was it your Mendocino beano? I guess the rabbit hole is within a magicians hat... |
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Post by The Rev. Halfdamn Black on Mar 23, 2008 15:43:54 GMT -5
LMAO. You best git yerself under control there, lad, before I learn yeh some manners with me pistol. Arrrrg.....
O.o
Someone, please help me. Send sedative fast. LOL.
But yes...The Captain. Should he come around again, I'll be sure to let you all know.
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Post by Frater G on Mar 23, 2008 16:00:49 GMT -5
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I feel that it is very important to accept reincarnation as being fact, just as there is an ever-increasing acceptance in the reality of Karma's long reaching justice. 
yes indeed.
